I haven’t had a chance to fully read through all the forums on your site but it looks like no one had suggested that the “survivors” are actually dead and are in a sort of limbo state awaiting their final destination (black swirling mist cloud = hell, being taken by the “others” = heaven).
Reasons why I like this theory:
Since when has a plane that has exploded at 30,000 feet had any survivors?
The flashbacks are showing us what issues each person has to deal with and why they are being “held at the gate” so to speak.
Shannon was self centered, but she changed and learned to love Sayid, this was her redemption.
Anna-Lucia redeemed herself by not shooting Henry, hence her imminent death. Remember when he said to her “I’m not the killer, you are”
All children are taken “they are okay” says Henry (or something to that effect). Children would automatically go to heaven since they haven’t achieved the maturity to hate, kill and such other things.
As far as baby Aaron is concerned I think the “survivors” can create whatever strange reality they want to and she really wanted a baby, Aaron is in a way imagined. I think when Claire was taken to the other station they took her baby from her.
I’m not too sure about Jin and Sun but probably along the same lines, she wants to have a baby so she’s made herself pregnant. She’s not really pregnant, since these people are living in some sort of alternate plane of existence just post-death I think strange things are possible (polar bears running around, sharks with logos on them, etc.)
The folks left “alive” on the island are there to find themselves so that they can continue their journey in the after-life.
So far I’m able to make everything fit… remember when Henry said to John “I came for you”… I think the others are sort of angels in that they are there to help these people find out what their issues are and to somwhow reconcile them so they can move on to the next phase of their afterlife.
I don’t know what Hanso and Dharma or the numbers have to do with it though.
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I like this purgatory theory, but I’m not sure as to the others being angelic. Henry is sure he will be killed for failing to bring back John and I can’t see any benevolent god who is willing to give the “survivors” a second chance at redemption finding the gaul to kill his own angels. Further, if the children are “taken to heaven” immeadiately, then why has Alex, Russo’s daughter, remained on the island so long? As I recall, Claire saw her. She helped her escape from the facility at which she was being held while pregnant. On the whole, it’s a really good theory, I’m just having trouble explaining all the eccentricities of it. Oh and you may have noticed in the question mark episode that miracle girl said she saw Eko’s brother while “in between places.” Was she acutally on the island and bumped into Eko’s brother while she was there? I suppose that would add support to the theory about this being a sort of limbo state.
What I find confusing is the producers have gone on the record and said that they are not in purgatory or something along those lines. But they create a fictional book with the authors name, Gary Troup, an anagram for purgatory.
I have to agree with you jody. I think the island is a test of their faith.
I too must admit that it’s sometimes difficult to fit all that is happening into what I call the “Caitlin Theory” after a friend of mine who first suggested that they were all dead. As for the “angel” part, yeah, that’s tough, but what if Henry says “kill” but means “send me down” - killing being an analogy of being cast from heaven (for not doing “his” bidding) - just a thought. As for Rousseau’s daughter, she may possibly be in the “heaven” state and was there to deliver the baby safely but without Claire knowing. She helped Claire escape because maybe Claire may have a future role in delivering Rousseau to heaven where the daughter awaits. Eh…my mind is going CRAZY with all this! How many years do you think we’ll all have to wait to get an answer or do you think they’ll just end it like they did X-Files, with no explanation at all!! Argh!
Oh and one more thing…I don’t really think it’s purgatory. In this respect you sort of have to separate yourself from the traditional religious descriptions of the afterlife. I’m thinking in a more abstract sort of way. That after you die you are given a chance to re-evaluate your life and for some they may be blind to their mistakes and faults so much so that they can not get to the point of evaluation, hence they are stuck in-between life and death. It’s not misery or despair that they are caught up in rather their inability to step away from themselves to see themselves as they really are, how they really look to other people. Am I making sense?
Yes that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying your thoughts.
I read an article and the producers specificly said that they are not dead. They also said that everything in Lost can be proven scientificly.
Purgatory isn’t even real it’s just a stupid thing that catholics made up. You either go to heaven or hell.
I think its what would happen if a corporation took over the afterlife.
Jordan, lots of things can be proven scientifically (meta-physics) but that doesn’t mean they will ever happen. For example, it can be proven that an elephant can do a hand stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, but you’re never going to see it happen.
The fall from 30,000 feet has always been a sticking point with me. I think they should have explained (or explain later) how that was survivable … especially for those in the tail section. I don’t by into the Purgatory theory either. If they are all dead, what’s the point?
yes i believe the producers have disproved this theory. a recap of rejected theories is available on wikipedia
i have found the most support for the purgatory theory as well. (even after hearing that the producers swear it’s not purgatory)i guess i just think they are lying. but more facts to support/clarify the theory…(12 years of catholis school at work here…Jordan, you’ve read the DiVinci Code 1 too many times, i love the book too, but faith obviously plays a HUGE part in this show, so you can’t just say that purgatory “doesn’t exist”, the whole point is that if it exsists in these people’s minds it can become their reality.
#1 the old “bearded” guy, i originally thought was St. peter, (the biblical bouncer, if you will, that maned the gates of heaven..untill he removed his beard in the finally, could have been a decoy)
#2 Aaron can not be taken by the others (angels), untill he is baptised, because he still has “original sin”
#3 henry gale is similar to jesus in many ways, including his sacrificing himself, and his willingness to “walk among the sinners” in the hopes of redeming them.
in my opinion the whole story definitly has something to do with the whole evolution vs. creation, faith vs. fact, science vs. religion, thing. (a-la divinci’s predicessor, “angels and demons”) i’m not sure how strongly i still believe in the purgatory thing, but it definitly has support as an argument.
If everyone is dead, however, what happens after, do you “die again”, like those who were shot in “the Swan” and killed?
That’s the oly thing about the whole purgatory theory is if you’re dead, how can you be killed in the afterlife? I think they have been reanimated, not all of them, but the 70 some odd survivors, this is why Locke can walk and Rose is cured of cancer, is when they were brought back, they were restored. This would sort of make sense with the type of work being revealed about both Hanso and the Dharma Initiative, in that Hanso is know for crooked medical experiments, huge coverups and a total disdain for human life, Dharma on the otherhand seems to be based on six main studies Meterology, Zoology, Psychology, Parapsychology, Electromagnetism and Eutopian Socialism. Between the two of them, they’ve constructed massive underground work stations, on an island no one can see, an islad with a unique geomagnetic force, and constructed technologies like Cerebus (A nanite cloud of death) and so on and so on, etc, etc… I don’t think they’re in purgatory in the catholic sense, i think they’re now part of an elaborate, and ongoing psychological experiment, which is part lie and part truth, and all clouded in mystery…
HURLY IS AN OTHER! THink about it early on Hurley took a census. This is how the others know who everyone is. He also was in charge of the manifest of the passengers witch listed Sawyer’s real name, James Ford. Hurley introduced the idea that others exist by disclosing that Ethan was not on the manifest. He tested Libby by allowing her to save him from . Soon after Libby died (She passed her test and went to Heaven). In the Season Finale he was the only one of the people Micheal brought to the Others that was released to go back to his camp.
Mr. Echo knows that he is in Purgetory. This is why he asks The Other pretending to be Henry Gale for his forgiveness and tells him he is back on a rightious path. He is trting to get into heaven. He is not afraid of the black smoke cloud.
Mr. Echo knew when he saw the plane his Brothe r Yemmy died on on the island. Before he left the told him that when she was between places in Purgatory ,or on the island, she saw Yemmy and he told her to give Echo a message. She saw him there because he was there too.
Desmond died that night when he hit his head on the boat. Think about the odds of somone being knoked unconcious wasing up on shore and being alive. That is why he said the rest of the world is gone and that they are in a snow globe because they are in purgatory and thats is all that there is left.
[…] Super excited for all! THANK GOD 24 and apprentice doesn’t start till january! Speaking of LOST, I was reading theories the other day, and i was surprised to find one that is the exact same of what i first thought up when i started watching the series. […]
this theory has already been said to be NOT TRUE by producers of the show
also, it was goodwin, not henry who said “The children are fine.”
We see Penny in the outside world looking for Desmond in the final episode. Sure he could be dead and her still looking for him but that doesn’t explain how the two russians? in the snow storm call her and say that they think they found him. Yes, it could be something else other then Desmond, or it could be a flashback, but it happened right after the Hatch exploded. We know these producers and writers are amazing at what they do, this is an exceptional series. I really don’t think that this is a possibility. But who am I? I don’t even have a theory of my own…
hurley can’t be an other they showed him on the plane putting on his headphones, but it would be awesome if it was the way you said it could be!
Jeff wrote: “that doesn’t explain how the two russians”
They´re not Russians, from their language, they are Brazilians, they speak my native language, Brazilian Portuguese!!!
Good theory. But what about Michael? He just pretty much betrayed ‘em, and the others let him leave on a boat.
What we have here is a story on several levels. I believe the LOST characters from the plane are dead and have been given another chance to make the right decisions before crossing over to their rewards(ALL of them are flawed characters one way or the other). Another level is the island. For some reason it allows the dead and the living to interact. That is why the survivors are there. The whole Dharma thing is an experiment gone bad, and the “hostiles” are other people who either died like the plane “survivors” and have decided to not cross over or are folks who crashed on the island and lived.
YOUR WRONG
jj is right, however, because the produers have said numerous times that there is no purgatory, its all currently taking place. maybe this theory should be archives or labeled n/a or something.
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